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Post by Zibo Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:42 pm

v0.0.3

Many changes to list, therefore as promised Test Build for Windows available here: Google Drive. Feedback, suggestions and bug report welcome.

Key notes to navigate:


  • Space to Skip Turn (especially for red player), unit needs to be selected
  • Drag&Drop on units/abilities to target
  • First full LMB click on unit - select and show abilities (same on portraits on HUD)
  • Subsequent full LMB click on unit - show unit panel (same on portraits on HUD)
  • RMB - deselect


In short:
- Vagabond unit
- Talents machanic
- Leveling mechanic
- Statuses
- Unit info panel
- Ability costs
- Unit blinks for damage, statuses
- Floating texts
- Post Processing (HDR / Bloom)




Known bugs:

  • Stretched mouse cursor
  • Vagabond's Coward ability activates incorrectly with healing

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Post by Zibo Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:51 am

Need to start (unwilling) crowd funding somehow, right?

(run it in VM, if anyone is really afraid xD)

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Post by Zibo Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:46 am

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Post by gold Sun May 16, 2021 2:53 pm

I now checked MSII, is it gonna get a Multiplayer feature as well? What´s the main focus (design goal) of the game? Or in other words: in which areas does it want to excel in comparison to other games? Or do you mostly tackle it as a training project for greater ambitions, such as MSI was...

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Post by Zibo Sun May 16, 2021 4:07 pm

I aim it to be an MMO. PvP is planned to be the way it is e.g. in Gems of War (one of the games I get inspiration from) where AI takes control over the opponent's team during combat. IMO that's the only reasonable way to tackle it for turn-based multiplayer game like this one, to not annoy players with waiting time for slackers.

I think the overall idea for the game is not bad, the question is always for longer term gameplay mechanic. So for now I only know of (successful one at least) Gems of War, where you have tons of troops to choose from, hero classes, weapons and few other items, with which you configure your team setup. Needless to say, configurations are limitless and player is constantly busy with testing new teams and setups. In Gems of War it is pretty blend - troops' skills have no animations, there are just a couple of skill types that are rotated on troops, same with hero classes and items.

In my game I want to go step forward. I want all units to have (mostly) unique skills, each with proper animation, and making units actually not completely useless in comparison to others. More configuration options for each unit (selectable talents, a bit more meaningful leveling). Same with artifacts (up to 4 selectable and levelable) and hero classes (3 unique skills per each).

I got already of plenty of ideas for PvE (e.g. vs non-playble bosses, MK-like endurance mode, darkness mode etc.) and for PvP, that might change the gameplay a bit in some ways.

Most of that are far looking plans of course. I'm still busy with finishing up core mechanics for skills, that take most of the time now (pushing and summoning left for now). After that upgrading the graphics and design, so it is actually enjoyable for an eye.

The game will land eventually on Steam in Early-Access in probably about 1.5 year (with Overwhelmingly Negative reviews xD), of course depending on progress.

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Post by gold Sat May 22, 2021 2:51 pm

Sorry, had a pending exam which is why i took some time to reply...
I am really positively surprised by the ideas and scope. Some neat things are in there imho and i like that you are taking it step by step. This is the best way, probably the only way, to eventually get into releasing something somewhat decent (not just on the conceptual side of things that is)! You are basically growing your ambitions as your skillset grows from learning over the previous ambition. Taking it step by step, realistically but not without ambition and greater scope. really is the method of choice. Unity game concept - Page 2 632772

I have tried the very rudimentary client and i intitially thought that some of the special unit skills (such as the one of the peasants i. e.) are quite neat and allow for interesting mechanics and surprising moments. I really, really like that you are actually connecting the skills with a form of in-game lore, that you don´t just arbitrarily set them. Imho that makes it much more challenging for you though: Cause you have to bring balancing, gameplay decisions in line with a cohesive world design (something which i really miss out on with many new games). Especially the balancing part can become a challenge with this.

Now that i know more about it, I would buy this, just to see where it is going!

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Post by Zibo Sun May 23, 2021 2:48 pm

Cool, thanks for input.

I will throw new client increment of the game in a while (1-2 months probably) to show off further features (new units, summoning, pushing/pulling, remade HUD).

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Post by gold Sun May 23, 2021 10:53 pm

Nice, keep us posted, i´m in to check it out. If you want feedback on a paritcular feature/thing then let me/us know! Unity game concept - Page 2 632772

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Post by Zibo Sun Aug 08, 2021 4:55 pm

v0.0.4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ze1A0rJ2_Afuxp6XzDTwPepxqXSpUKf9

General changelog:

  • Red/Green/Blue mana replaced with single color.
        - Reason: It was confusing even for me to keep track what mana's I have and what are required to cast a skill. Also, it was impossible to show 3 mana colors, each max of 10 points, as a cost for a skill in a clear way.
  • Summoning mechanic.
        - Maximum of 4 summons per player can exist at the same time. Summoning more will annihilate the oldest.
        - Summons:
            - Have additional indicator on their portrait/skill for easier distuingishment from original unit.
            - Have half the stats of original unit.
            - Have skill power the same as original unit.
            - Cannot have talents.
            - Level equals to summoner's level.
            - Get infinite undispellable Ephimeral status, that damages them for 3 HP each turn.
  • Pushing mechanic.
        - Currently only Vagabond's ability on Rush skill. I made Rush "Quick" (read below) and Power 4 for easier testing for now.
        - All units can be pushed (currently except Rooted, later also stationary types like Totems or buildings):
            - Into open space with no collisions - then no damage applied (unless skill does itself), distance pushed is equal to power of the push.
            - Into wall - dmg is applied equal to remaining power of the push.
            - Into water - 4 dmg, push power doesn't matter.
            - Into other unit - 2 dmg
            - Collisions can be chained between units. Also it's possible to crash into 2 walls/units when pushed in diagonal.
  • Unit tilting mechanic - units will twitch to indicate force applied to them upon:
        - Damage dealt, either in "push" or "pull" mode
        - Push collision
        - Status effects
  • HUD remade.
        - Main HUD's static picture remodelled as 3D mesh
        - Allows better and easier animations
        - Current wooden theme is the most basic attempt. Theme selection is planned as a cosmetics, so maybe will try to sell them for $ Very Happy.
  • Skill features:
        - Quick - Indicated by green/gray dot on skill's icon. Means that can be cast twice or along with other (also non-Quick) skill in unit's turn.
  • Statuses:
        - Divided by dispellable (with e.g. Dispel/Cleanse skill) and undispellable (usually unit's internal statuses coming from passive skills)
        - Most of them will have visuals over the unit, to identify easier what to expect from buffed/debuffed unit.
  • Skill's mana bar replaced with fillable bubble.
  • New units:
        - Broken Sword
        - Temple Priest
        - Goblin
        - Goblin Shaman
        - Healing Totem
        - Flaming Totem


Nearest road map:

  • All ranged units will get proper projectile animations. Melee will remain as is.
  • Armor stat - HP can be healed only to static unit's maximum, armor will not have limit, but it will be pierced by some skills
  • Units: Goblin Warrior (first with Armor mechanic), Firemage (+Fire Imp summon), Crazy Alchemist, Mana Collector / Necromancer
  • Unit / status panel as mesh (not sure yet)
  • Graphics enhancements - current font sucks big time, I think I'll still spend some minutes on some skill effects I'm not happy with, also need to improve many icons
  • Artifacts
  • Environment


Things I'm not sure of:

  • Should damage be categorized by: regular/skill attack or physical/magical damage? Or no division at all, so all damage reduction / shields are ultimate?
  • What to put on e.g. Flaming Totem's unit description, since it's a pure summon without skills/talents?

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Post by gold Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:00 pm

Ooh, didn´t realize you updated the entry post with some more detailed conceptual overwiew. Unity game concept - Page 2 632772

Downloading and playing the newest version now...

EDIT: Instantly pops firewall exeption - Zibo trying to steal my data oh no!
But right from the first impression: This looks decent. Like an actual game!! Unity game concept - Page 2 2076204186
Digging the charming artwork. Goblin Shaman is the best so far.

After moving without attacking I was too stupid to move another unit although I had mana left? Is there a way to end a turn without attacking?
Well, made the archer threw a fireball in the middle of everything for BIG DAMAGE.  What a Face

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Post by Zibo Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:55 pm

gold wrote:EDIT: Instantly pops firewall exeption - Zibo trying to steal my data oh no!

Interesting. Is it the standard permission to run "exe" file or something else?

To end the turn of unit, not matter what actions you've done, either click Skip Move button on HUD or press space (with unit selected).
Archer is just a test unit. When I'll create Firemage I will also rebalance Fireball stats.

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Post by gold Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm

It´s not the default "unknown exe" but it´s the "trying to connect over the internet" exception. I blocked it but the game still works as intended. Probably some unity feature.

Okay I see about the controls. Nice tech demo this far. Unity game concept - Page 2 632772

I think you should differenciate in between damage types even if you are not using them yet. But it´ll probably much more work to eventually implement them at a later point in time. You can still implement them to work "as one" (from the player´s perpective) with the current status system. So you have "burning" "poisoned" "encumbered" (maybe also due to terrain/terrain changes) and that should go well with different types of damage. Imho that´d be cool. You could then the summon just give the unit type "summon" which always means that it has no additional talents?

Armor mechanics sound cool. Will there be as well a type of magic armor (i. e. magic/mana shield that can be cast or obtained or is a special ability)?

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Post by Zibo Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

Don't know why it'd try to connect to internet - test client has networking disabled. Rolling Eyes

Damage types are implemented. For now it's visible for Vagabond's shield skill - it will negate dmg, only for primary (non-skill) attacks. So damage types would be either primary/skill attacks OR physical/magical attacks. I'm leaning more towards primary/skill, as those would be easier to understand and remember for player.

If you mean armor as a stat, then no - I only planned single stat called "Armor" which is more or less surplus for HP. If you meant skills/statuses - there will be anything I can think of, so probably. Very Happy

BTW: What do you think of this kind of unit design? Some portraits might blend with terrain color this way, but perhaps I could figure out a shader that adds an outline to sprite.

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Post by Zibo Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:10 pm

So bad, that gold died. Ok. Very Happy

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Post by Zibo Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:53 pm

I think I will go with something like this. Sprites being converted to meshes - are able to have a width, also to receive and cast shadows.

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Post by gold Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:22 pm

Zibo wrote:So bad, that gold died. Ok. Very Happy
For whatever reason I didn´t see this as a new (red) post so I thought there was nothing new going on in the topic, sorry! Surprised

Yea mesh is definitely the way to go i think. Looks surprisingly good given the roughness of the sketches. One can always improve and iterate upon it but the flat look was really uninteresting. This adds a lot to the battlefield i think! (Don´t get me wrong, I think some of the character sprites were quite charming but ofc in the end they are more or less placeholders to be replaced if this project goes further as time passes, right?)
Okay for armor only, I guess you have a design philosophy to keep it simple or that you simply don´t see benefit from additional types of protection. A skill/status variety is cool imho. Smile

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Post by Zibo Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:16 pm

Previous sprites still stay as a portraits to be visibile in unit details or somewhere in menus. And sure they will be upgraded - whenever I make $$$ that it will be worth to hire proper sketch artist or I will improve my own skills after hundreds of portraits and icons drawn. Very Happy

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Post by Doppelganger Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:25 pm

Haven't logged in here for some time. Tested your latest build. The main issue is that the basic gameplay loop is really confusing. I found myself randomly clicking units, skills and the skip button. There's no good indication for what I can, should or can't do. This can of course be helped with a tutorial, but still good feedback to the player is important.

The unit box in the HUD is redundant. I'd rather use the space for a tooltip style stat or ability description area. Having to go to the full unit screen for that is cumbersome.

Otherwise the latest screenshot is looking good. I'm liking the 2D cutout style units in a 3D world.

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Post by Zibo Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:45 pm

Thanks for feedback!

I will be trying to make it more apparent what are your possible actions for sure. Still testing and trying to figure out what's the best way to indicate that the unit is still selectable and hasn't moved this turn.
I'm also aware that darkening player's HUD is not enough to show clearly whose turn it is, so gotta think on it too. Highlighting Skip Button (and implementing auto-end turn function) will probably help when no possible actions to be done.
Also be aware it is currently 2x more exhausting to move units, because you control both teams, which will not be a case when I implement AI.

Regarding units in HUD - hm, I thought some overview is in place, to show at a glance what is the state of each player's team. There are currently up to 16 units possible on the board, and summons quantity/order also matters. Shrinking the HUD and implementing tooltips can surely be done though.

Cool regarding units design - I've got 3:1 feedback in favour of pawn visuals. I think it also makes a bit space on the board and I should be able to increase the size of it.

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Post by Doppelganger Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:48 pm

Forgot to specify that the summon icons (or at least some indication of the count) is a good addition to the HUD. For other units, I can see your reasoning, but to me the battlefield - and thus the unit count - isn't big enough to warrant it.

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Post by gold Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:22 pm

Yea some cleanup or streamlining on the UI cannot hurt for sure. Then again I trusted it´s an iterative process and you were planning to do this anyways which is why I didn´t talk about this yet. But i. g. I didn´t understand fully how the game works yet.
I am rather focused on the core design since the technology seems to be in the bag. Will we have many, diverse and evolving missions, challenges, maybe some sort of a story (I think story can also be "told" in smaller, elegant ways then throwing walls of text at the player, simple gfx, just some smart changes of pace can be more efficient in storytelling then a 5 minute cutscene at times).

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Post by Zibo Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:49 pm

I don't have ideas for better UI for now. You can draw in Paint if you wanna sugest something. Smile
I have diverse game modes PvE/PvP and challenges on my mind. Story rather not, besides introduction + some tutorial.

Development is by the way a bit slowed down since a month due to an apartament purchase.

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